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emailreg.org scam?
Posted by simonw on Mon 22 Dec 2008 at 11:36
Opinion from those that might know is that Barracuda own and operate emailreg.org, although there is no mention of this on the emailreg.org site, and the whois data is obscured.

Indeed the owners of emailreg.org have gone to a lot of trouble to hide who they are, which would be illegal for a UK operated website of this type.

Was looking for a way to say our email server forwards a lot of email, Barracuda forward you to emailreg.org who want an "administrative fee".

So it looks like Barracuda add you to their block list, and then refer you to something that is disguised as a third party whitelisting service.

Looks suspiciously like "racketeering" to me.

I wonder why they opened their block list to others.

Barracuda continuing their tradition as the anti-spam company you least want to deal with.

 

Comments on this Entry

Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by jawnsy (76.66.xx.xx) on Tue 30 Dec 2008 at 03:49
This was an interesting read. The web site does look pretty legitimate, but come on, $20 for "administrative fees"?

Definitely a racketeering operation imo. I agree with your analysis.

I doubt it'll really be around that long. If people are using this list to block your emails, let them. They're not people you need to be dealing with anyway.

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (92.233.xx.xx) on Mon 5 Jan 2009 at 19:04
Have just had my email blocked by this bunch and read a load of blurb about why they are different including stuff about not having a 'business model' tied to the unblocking / registering of domains. Once logged in they ask for $20 per domain - big time scam and a waste of my time. The worrying thing is that they are actually blocking email so they have to be stopped somehow!
Don't know if this forum accepts email addresses so will hold off for now rather than upset anyone - but happy to participate in anything that stops them!

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (76.29.xx.xx) on Thu 23 Apr 2009 at 04:35
I don't think this will last long either. We have a barracuda appliance, and you can't use custom blocks for sites whitelisted on emailreg.org - even when their users get compromised and send out phishing emails - the phishes are whitelisted too.

Who wants a spam filter that whitelists spam? I expect either Barracuda will tone down the whitelisting very soon or their market share will evaporate.

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (39.47.xx.xx) on Fri 17 Jun 2016 at 11:08
They are blocking IPs unfettered. The extortion is still continuing, our governments need to take it up with ICANN to sort Barracuda out!

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (81.158.xx.xx) on Tue 13 Mar 2012 at 08:02
More than 3 years on they are still running the same scam. I just got my email blocked by Barracuda, then I receieved emails from emailreg-org requesting $20 to be whitelisted. This is outrageous.

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (80.176.xx.xx) on Tue 6 Jan 2009 at 18:04
I agree this is an outrageous scam. I have ben using spamcop and RBL for years and am pretty knowledgeable about mail and now find my business seriously impacted

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (216.70.xx.xx) on Wed 7 Jan 2009 at 16:37
Yep, got this scam today too. Seems BarracudaCentral.org is running a racketeering scam. Telling you your email server has been blocked, and if you want it to be on a whitelist you need to choke up $20. For business purposes $20 is nothing, but still it's a scam...and if I pay $20 to Barracuda now, who is to say that other popular domains will not follow? $20 for Barracuda, $20 for Gmail, $20 for Yahoo, $20 for .... never ending SCAM!

How do we stop this!!!!!!????

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Steve (80.68.xx.xx) on Wed 7 Jan 2009 at 16:45
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I guess if you're in charge of a mailserver you make sure you never use Barracuda's blacklists, or their products.

Short of that there's nothing much you can do but complain and hope for the best.

Steve

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (216.70.xx.xx) on Thu 8 Jan 2009 at 22:54
Well, I folded...I choked up $20, and it worked. Now my email goes through ok. I also had to add a CNAME pointer in my DNS to "Verify" the email server was mine. I was getting hammered from all directions from users getting bounced messages. I hated throwing $20 at the scam, but I had no choice. Now to run through my system thoroughly and check for possible errors.

All I can say is Barracuda is running a big time scam...makes you wonder where this will stop. Maybe this is the new wave of making $$$ on the net.

BTW, it wasn't just me that was having problems. I called other IT people who reported they were having recent blacklist problems.

Arrrrrggggg (grinding teeth noises)

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (65.209.xx.xx) on Fri 9 Jan 2009 at 20:14
Unbelieveable. I checked our domain out with mxtoolbox.com and we're clean eveywhere. The only blocking site is Barracuda and yes, they want us to cough up $20. While not a large dollar amount, the principal alone bothers me. Just wanted to share my pain with this as well. It's very disruptive and makes our business (and my IT department) look bad.

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by simonw (84.45.xx.xx) on Mon 19 Jan 2009 at 09:31
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I have nothing against paid removal.

My experience of Barracuda listings is that they are usually correct.

It is the pretending it isn't them being paid, that I think is the ethical issue here.

Also people who use their list need to understand their policy, and clearly charging for removal is a key aspect, since it excludes poor people who make a mistake or get misclassified.

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (85.52.xx.xx) on Tue 20 Jan 2009 at 17:28
SCAMMM!!!

I'm sure emailreg.org is a Barracuda "company", OK, they have Privacy protect on the domain, but no one can hide the IP: http://ws.arin.net/whois

Insert the IP of the web or the IP from where emailreg.org send you the e-mail of registration: IP 64.235.146.64

OrgName: Barracuda Networks, Inc.
OrgID: BARRA-7
Address: 3175 S. Winchester Blvd
City: Campbell
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 95008
Country: US

NetRange: 64.235.144.0 - 64.235.159.255
CIDR: 64.235.144.0/20
OriginAS: AS15324
NetName: BARRAUCDA
NetHandle: NET-64-235-144-0-1
Parent: NET-64-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Assignment
NameServer: NS1.BARRACUDA.COM
NameServer: NS2.BARRACUDA.COM
Comment:
RegDate: 2006-10-31
Updated: 2008-06-05

RAbuseHandle: BARRA1-ARIN
RAbuseName: Barracuda Hostmaster
RAbusePhone: +1-408-342-5400
RAbuseEmail: hostmaster@barracuda.com

RNOCHandle: BARRA1-ARIN
RNOCName: Barracuda Hostmaster
RNOCPhone: +1-408-342-5400
RNOCEmail: hostmaster@barracuda.com

RTechHandle: BARRA1-ARIN
RTechName: Barracuda Hostmaster
RTechPhone: +1-408-342-5400
RTechEmail: hostmaster@barracuda.com

OrgTechHandle: BARRA1-ARIN
OrgTechName: Barracuda Hostmaster
OrgTechPhone: +1-408-342-5400
OrgTechEmail: hostmaster@barracuda.com

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2009-01-19 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (194.221.xx.xx) on Tue 24 Feb 2009 at 13:53
definitely a scam, I have 50+ domains on my mailserver which are now being blocked by barracuda (and nobody else) I am not stumping up $1000 a year to have them removed when they shouldn't even be there.

My mail server has never been and never will be a source of spam.

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (88.159.xx.xx) on Sun 15 Mar 2009 at 18:55
I'm kind of shocked that a big anti-spam player like Baraccuda uses questionable practices like this. I mean, this does nothing a SPF record doesn't do. They even can do more and above all they're free! This is ridiculous.

I've run in to this twice now. They seem to be blacklisting our IP's at random, since we got *no* complaints about those servers from anywhere else.

I'm confused about this.. aren't anti-spam people supposed to be the good guys?

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by simonw (84.45.xx.xx) on Mon 16 Mar 2009 at 21:25
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> aren't anti-spam people supposed to be the good guys?

Rule 29 applies:

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less.

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Feznizzle (98.224.xx.xx) on Fri 27 Mar 2009 at 12:50
Hello All,

I really, really, REALLY need some help! Please read this!

I too have experienced the joys of Barracuda blocking email. I am in agreement with the ant-racketeering sentiment. Forcing you to pay-to-play is a scam that must be resisted.

UNLIKE most of the others, I do actually think I have a problem. I am on a shared server and I think my hosting company is lax on the email server security.

Though I never send out unsolicited email, NEVER do large group emailings, etc, I frequently find myself blocked by legitimate folks. For a while my email replies were being blocked to people with addresses such as somebody@bellsouth.net or somebody@yahoo.com. Even if they had initiated the conversation. One was my dad!

So I jump through hoops to get the issue resolved... only to have it occur a month later.

MY QUESTION IS THIS:
Could hosting my email on one of those "secure email servers" (such as www.4securemail.com) resolve this issue?

These "specialized" email servers advertise that they will screen out spam, make my communications more secure, bla bla bla. I am not interested in those services... I am primarily interested in keeping my domains off of "black lists". I have trained my email client to automatically screen spam for me, plus I like to double check my spam folder.

And I'm wondering how much to pay? The service I mention above (www.4securemail.com) seems INSANELY expensive! It would cost me $240 a year to use them!

If anyone can offer some advice, it would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Mike

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (84.45.xx.xx) on Fri 27 Mar 2009 at 13:16
There are email providers around who are reputable and not that expensive. Peter Gradwell's lot offered this (gradwell.net).

But for small volumes one can use Googlemail, or Yahoo!, who both provide automated SMTP submission over SSL, and are in the "too large to block" category. I don't know what the AOL free email offer is like.

Alternatively move to a virtual host rather than shared hosting, and then you'll have your own IP address and your own reputation to maintain, as well as more secure and flexible hosting.

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Feznizzle (98.224.xx.xx) on Fri 27 Mar 2009 at 13:40
I do have gmail, but, for branding/trust reasons, I need to send from my own domains (me@mycompany.com).

Gradwell.net... most excellent, thanks!

W/ regard to using virtual dedicated servers, I have looked into that. I almost went GoDaddy because of price, but did not because they would not allow root/ssh access. My sites are db intensive, my IT guys need access.

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (82.210.xx.xx) on Tue 5 May 2009 at 17:44
This is scam. I registered there and was not able to verify my domain. I tried several configurations and still nothing. I e-mailed them three times and they never replied. What a waste of $20 and my time.

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (75.149.xx.xx) on Wed 24 Jun 2009 at 20:35
I'm looking to drop my barracuda box and go with sendio. Does anyone have any comments about the sendio product?

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (98.248.xx.xx) on Sun 30 Aug 2009 at 08:03
i use barracudas products and they work quite well. of course, i have not run into problems such as these, but unless i was to, i am a fan.

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (39.47.xx.xx) on Fri 17 Jun 2016 at 11:14
This is not about the product! The that you have i.e. Barracuda is blocking legit email IPs and then trying to earn $20/= for favour of unblocking it. It is a big time scam!

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (66.214.xx.xx) on Tue 24 Nov 2009 at 00:01
It just happened to us as well. We are clean as a whistle everywhere except for barracuda. We also watch our mail servers daily and never send over 300 outgoing emails. Even if they were all spam (none are!) I would still say it wouldn't constitute a blacklist membership. This has got to be against the law somehow. Seems like a digital mafia. Maybe some lawyer will take up the cause and get a class action going.

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (212.2.xx.xx) on Wed 2 Dec 2009 at 15:30
We've been listed on barracudacentral.org and have been blocked by many customers we regularly deal with. I refuse to pay the $20, but this is hurting our day to day business! Maybe we should start an action group that contribute to employing a lawyer to go after them? Any takers?

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (70.57.xx.xx) on Thu 3 Dec 2009 at 01:47
Ditto for us. We are a small business that relies on email extensively. This is a waste of my time to go through the emailreg.org scam. Barracuda needs to find a better way to fix this and provide exceptions rather than scamming another small business out of our thin profits.

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (67.108.xx.xx) on Mon 28 Dec 2009 at 16:43
yeah one of our customers is unable to receive email from us.. uaw.net - This is ridiculous.. Even if it is only $20 i am not paying it.. making the customer unsubscribe from this pos blacklist.

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Nevering (66.218.xx.xx) on Tue 23 Feb 2010 at 00:47
Where did these guys come from? I had several of my customer notifications blocked today by these fools. I've read below, but the question I have is how were they able to inject themselves into the system. Is this ISP's that are using their services or is it linked through their network appliances or both. This really appears to be a scam. It is affecting my legit business. How do we get rid of them ?

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by simonw (84.45.xx.xx) on Tue 23 Feb 2010 at 08:41
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People bought Barracuda spam products. I don't think you can get rid of them as they aren't under your control, you can just suggest that the clients not use Barracuda products in future. Presumably their spam gateway can be configured to ignore the Barracude blacklist?

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Nevering (66.218.xx.xx) on Tue 23 Feb 2010 at 20:47
I've reported them to the FTC. Hopefully, they will take some action. I will be sending notifications to all my customers very soon.

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (71.252.xx.xx) on Wed 17 Mar 2010 at 01:06
Definitely a racket and more to it than just a simple RBL. Barracuda is apparently using the PBL ranges (those addresses listed as belonging to the major ISPs such as Verizon, SWB, etc. see: http://www.spamhaus.org/pbl/index.lasso regarding PBLs) which causes small business owners who send mail from their home PCs but use their hosted domains (username@mysmallbusiness.com) to get bounced by mail servers that reference zen.spamhaus.org, pbl.spamhaus.org, b.barracuda.org or any organizations that use barracuda appliances. This is a totally innappropriate use of PBLs. For a hosting provider to get ‘de-listed’, the fee of $20 for listing with EmailReg.org is per domain per year! If you check the IP address of EmailReg.org (64.235.146.64) you’ll find that it is none other than Barracuda Networks themselves:
OrgName: Barracuda Networks, Inc.
OrgID: BARRA-7
Address: 3175 S. Winchester Blvd
City: Campbell
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 95008
Country: US
NetRange: 64.235.144.0 – 64.235.159.255
CIDR: 64.235.144.0/20
OriginAS: AS15324
NetName: BARRAUCDA
NetHandle: NET-64-235-144-0-1
Parent: NET-64-0-0-0-0

This is a total racket being put in place in order to extract annual fees from LEGITIMATE hosting providers. All I can say at this point is to pass the word that PBLs are NOT spam blocklists but rather ISP lists of user allocated IPs and PBLs (and default Barracuda appliance rules) should NEVER be used to control spam. Barracuda is trying to pull a fast one here with blocking legitimate senders then trying to charge a fee to let mail pass and it should not be tolerated.

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (39.47.xx.xx) on Fri 17 Jun 2016 at 11:18
What has been the outcome of the complaint that you lodged with FTC? Barracuda is still continuing this extortion.

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (212.101.xx.xx) on Thu 29 Apr 2010 at 10:42
I was looking for Information about the organization behind emailreg.org and how they are affiliated with barracuda.

It seems like they did some effort to hide their identity, but I found some hint who could be behind that project:

C:\>host domingo.dsdata.dk
domingo.dsdata.dk is a nickname for emailreg.org
emailreg.org has address 64.235.146.64

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by BusaDave9 (174.44.xx.xx) on Sat 4 Dec 2010 at 16:12
Emailreg.org is separate from Barracuda Networks.
Emailreg.org will not get you delisted from Barracuda Block List (BRBL)
This is exactly what emailreg.org says on their own web site.
Check out this link:
http://www.emailreg.org/index.cgi?p=news&id=4

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (92.225.xx.xx) on Sun 12 Dec 2010 at 15:36
they are in no way separate. emailreg.org is operated by barracuda.
barracuda says on its website:
Barracuda Reputation System honors domains registered at EmailReg.org. If you want to avoid email with your domain and IP being inadvertently blocked, you can register your domain at EmailReg.org.

scam, fraud, call it whatever you want.

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by BusaDave9 (174.44.xx.xx) on Sun 12 Dec 2010 at 16:07
There is some confusion and contradictions
read this link on emailreg.org web site
http://www.emailreg.org/index.cgi?p=news&id=4
It says:

Emailreg.org will not get you delisted from Barracuda Block List (BRBL)
Posted on 2009-04-13
There appears to be some confusion that EMAILREG.ORG is a way to get off of some of the Barracuda IP Block lists (BRBL). This is not the case. Emailreg.org is primarily a whitelist of IP's with domains. It does not have any impact on Barracuda Networks block lists such as the BRBL. If you want to be delisted from a Barracuda Block List please contact Barracuda Networks at their technical site: www.barracudacentral.org

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (96.237.xx.xx) on Wed 15 Dec 2010 at 18:37
That's completely untrue. My IP was just added to the Barracuda (and only the Barracuda) blacklist. Never has happened before. When you go to their "Removal Request Form" you are greeted at the top with:
"•Barracuda Reputation System honors domains registered at EmailReg.org. If you want to avoid email with your domain and IP being inadvertently blocked, you can register your domain at EmailReg.org."

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (122.110.xx.xx) on Wed 2 Feb 2011 at 23:36
Lets face it. If it looks like a scam, walks like a scam, sounds like a scam its a scam!! The best thing to do is contact the FTC and demand they look a little more deeply into this SCAM. These people are scum. I am doing everthing in my power to stop this total SCAM. That means you Barracuda!! If a company uses this bogus softwear give them a call and explain to them what is going on, tell them they are involved in a scam. Let get these bastards! How dare they!!

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (69.60.xx.xx) on Thu 11 Aug 2011 at 11:01
This is all BS. Barracuda say they will look into the 'problem' and get back to you and NEVER do you get that response.

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (76.91.xx.xx) on Tue 7 Jun 2011 at 19:31
STOP these people from operating their scam! Their values will never change; but their ability to operate will.

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (203.122.xx.xx) on Tue 30 Aug 2011 at 12:55
Yes, definately a scam. I was listed by barracuda earlier today and requested unlisting. This is a new system and I have sent only mail to a single gmail account. I was promptly forwarded to emailreg.org and asked for my personal details.

I am going to send emails to every blacklist agency I know off in an attempt to have them blacklisted themselves.

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Re: emailreg.org scam?
Posted by Anonymous (69.2.xx.xx) on Fri 27 Jul 2012 at 22:36
While in the process of installing an exchange server, I checked the propogation of my MX record and was satisfied. Since I still had time until the installation completed, I checked the blacklists. Lo and behold, Barracuda has me blacklisted (no one else ANYwhere) so I sent in the revocation request. Got the ad for emailreg.org, got suspicious, found this and other blogs suspecting collusion. After verifying, WHOIS is no help, I did a tracert. Guess what?
C:\Windows\system32>tracert www.emailreg.org

Tracing route to emailreg.org [64.235.146.64]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms Blocked by request of employer
2 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms Blocked by request of employer

3 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms Blocked by request of employer
4 6 ms 6 ms 5 ms Blocked by request of employer
5 13 ms 13 ms 13 ms pos-2-0-0.cr01.btrgla12.cavtel.com [216.219.62.1
21]
6 42 ms 42 ms 42 ms static-98-140-159-41.dsl.cavtel.net [98.140.159.
41]
7 54 ms 54 ms 54 ms static-66-16-64-181.dsl.cavtel.net [66.16.64.181
]
8 68 ms 69 ms 67 ms ae-1-920.cr01.alxnvagn.cavtel.com [98.140.159.86
]
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 128 ms 128 ms 128 ms xe9-5.core1.scl.layer42.net [69.36.239.157]
11 127 ms 127 ms 127 ms layer42-a.barracudanetworks.com [67.218.97.26]
12 128 ms 128 ms 131 ms www.emailreg.org [64.235.146.64]

Interesting that just before you reach emailreg.org, you go through barracudanetworks.com ... isn't it?

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barracuda central reputation system is it legal ?
Posted by Anonymous (173.8.xx.xx) on Thu 5 Feb 2015 at 00:44
Now I can't send emails to my own clietns. When companies do something stupid like this they lose business, and Barracuda in the name of security is helping them do nothing but that.

I will do my best to convince my client to cancel their relashionship with baraccuda, as I now have to give out personal information about myself to a 3rd party in order for me to send or receive emails. There is something wrong with this concept.

I have have been doing business with this client for over 8 years and this morning I can't email them all becuase baracuda thinks MY little small business IP is a suspect. I bet every IP not registered with Baracuda is a suspect. This is nothing more than a scam to harvest data.

Baracuda needs to make you money by earning it. I am not a lawyer, but it sure does not smell right. This to me is a gross violation to privacy.

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