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Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun 7 Feb 2016

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Yes  <-> 42% 413 votes
No  <-> 41% 398 votes
Still undecided  <-> 16% 155 votes
Total 966 votes

 

 

 

Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by mcortese (193.78.xx.xx) on Mon 8 Feb 2016 at 17:49
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I do understand why many people hate systemd, and I share some of their objections, too. But at the end of the day, it works for me.

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (217.172.xx.xx) on Tue 23 Feb 2016 at 19:03
sorry no, had bad experience with systemd and had the system unable to boot. i understand it is still under development but with previous system it was easier to get a fall back, with systemd it was a nightmare

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (50.1.xx.xx) on Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 21:18
I had an issue with NFS and other daemons failing to start properly because they were starting up in the wrong order. This is a very easy fix with SysV init process, but, for systemd, forget it.

Also systemd, for some insane reason, ALWAYS sends SIGHUP to processes it starts, even when the process is fully daemonized and should never get a SIGHUP signal. This will terminate daemons that do not catch SIGHUP. This goes completely against POSIX and the normal Unix daemon loading process.

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by mcortese (94.160.xx.xx) on Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 23:01
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Do you mind explaining in details the very easy fix that's only possible with SysV init?

Regarding your second point, I strongly doubt systemd can send a SIGHUP to daemons it has just started, as SIGHUP is systemd's way to force a reload.

Disclaimer: I don't advocate/endorse/support systemd in any way. I still haven't understood how it works well enough to dare a judgment. But I'm curious about success & failure stories about it in order to get the complete picture.

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (95.97.xx.xx) on Wed 23 Mar 2016 at 13:43
I stick with systemd..

All i read are people who dont understand systemd.
In the beginning i had the same problem too, and yes, i could use it as excuses also that it sucks, but it does not.

Now i know what and how systemd works i do really like it.
Its much better in fine tunning you boot process.
It runs imo faster, boots faster.

The NFS thing above here, yeah, know that, and yes the fix was very very easy, and now i know how, i have all my systems running with systemd, with for example samba 4(AD), kerberized NFSv4 etc.

The other ( up here, not booting systemd system, you missed 1 setting )
init=/bin/systemd in the boot parameter, or you did not install systemd-sysv

im a happy camper with systemd, im sticking with debian.


systemd works and it works fine, its a shame so many people are not willing to learn these days.

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (46.7.xx.xx) on Tue 23 Feb 2016 at 17:20
I'll migrate to Devuan.

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (85.18.xx.xx) on Tue 23 Feb 2016 at 17:55
Me too

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (2.237.xx.xx) on Tue 23 Feb 2016 at 18:23
+1

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (149.71.xx.xx) on Tue 23 Feb 2016 at 18:50
+1

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (120.21.xx.xx) on Wed 24 Feb 2016 at 07:07
Devuan is slower to boot up...

For that reason systemd is better....every time your system crash :P

Go and use devuan maybe you spend few seconds more on the boot up but at least your server doesn't crash ;)

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by bajanine (71.208.xx.xx) on Fri 18 Mar 2016 at 14:38
Exactly why I am still looking for something else to use. Debian is supposed to be stable! Not a testing distribution. I don't care how long it takes to boot, when I never need to reboot it!

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by bajanine (71.208.xx.xx) on Fri 18 Mar 2016 at 14:44
I will probably go back to FreeBSD. In my experience even as a desktop it is just a stable as past releases of Debian. Of course, if you need eye candy FreeBSD is not for you, but it is stable and in my humble opinion stability is all that matters.

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (149.71.xx.xx) on Wed 24 Feb 2016 at 19:46
+1 !

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (82.61.xx.xx) on Tue 23 Feb 2016 at 18:11
I don't hate systemd but I want freedom of choice, so I'll migrate to Devuan

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (217.113.xx.xx) on Wed 4 May 2016 at 21:43
Wait, I didn't get it... So you want freedom of choice, so you'll migrate from distribution that gives you choice (as reminder: in Debian systemd is default, but replaceable with SysV init at will) and switch to distribution without it (no option to install systemd in Devuan)? Looks like twisted logic to me :)

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (94.37.xx.xx) on Tue 23 Feb 2016 at 18:11
i migrate to devuan.
i have 4 devuan kvm+libvirt.
a devuan laptop.
a devuan vm workstation for virt-manager when i'm too lazy to open virsh :D
and xfce without gvfs is something of totally amazing.

I'm very happy now. fast and clean server that works in a unix way.
i don't need a wife. i have devuan.

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by gendo5150 (93.38.xx.xx) on Wed 24 Feb 2016 at 00:57
-1

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (2.239.xx.xx) on Wed 24 Feb 2016 at 01:15
For desktop as you wish. For server systemd = death.

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (78.134.xx.xx) on Wed 24 Feb 2016 at 01:23
-1

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (209.165.xx.xx) on Wed 24 Feb 2016 at 01:41
I am a senior level Unix/Linux administrator working for a regional communications company in the ISP division. My team is responsible for deploying and managing many systems running a mix of Solaris, Linux and FreeBSD. On the systems I deploy and manage I will not install any system that uses systemd unless a vendor software "requires" a specific Linux distribution. The same goes for the other members of my team. So, no more Debian will be installed here. I am evaluating Devuan to replace any Debian or Debian based (Ubuntu) deployments.

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (173.164.xx.xx) on Thu 21 Apr 2016 at 22:21
+++1 Same goes for me..I'm also a sr. linux admin/devops. For desktop use whatever, but i won't use systemd in production.

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (66.68.xx.xx) on Wed 24 Feb 2016 at 01:55
No way! Another happy Devuan user. :)

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (92.244.xx.xx) on Wed 24 Feb 2016 at 03:13
No I will not, and I will not stick to Debian because of it. So long and thanks for all the fish.

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (188.152.xx.xx) on Wed 24 Feb 2016 at 03:48
Absolutely not, I have lost faith in Debian after Systemd as it's just terrible and caused me many problems on Desktop, so I won't trust it on server either.

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (93.32.xx.xx) on Wed 24 Feb 2016 at 06:32
Systemd, no thanks. Devuan devuan devuan

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (151.19.xx.xx) on Wed 24 Feb 2016 at 06:40
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Systemd is bad. Too complex, too dependencies, to unstability. It's a very problem for production server and, last, it is a limitation of freedom to choose a different init when we want or need.

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (95.97.xx.xx) on Wed 23 Mar 2016 at 13:55
unstable ? you are doing something really wrong.

im running more than 20 debian 8 servers with systemd, 0 crashes.

preseed/late_command="in-target apt-get install -y sysvinit-core"
(p.s. this does not work if you select a desktop)

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (151.66.xx.xx) on Wed 24 Feb 2016 at 06:59
Devuan is the answer!

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (185.83.xx.xx) on Wed 24 Feb 2016 at 09:54
systemd is a problem not a solution, bye bye debian :\

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (146.48.xx.xx) on Wed 24 Feb 2016 at 11:07
I strongly prefer more modular and less intrusive solutions for the init system (i.e. not tying other services to a specific subsystem implementation / API mandated by init). They can be more easily tailored to special cases.

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (189.188.xx.xx) on Wed 24 Feb 2016 at 17:06
I'm a Devuan happy user! We really don't need all the problems that systemd is introducing!

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (79.19.xx.xx) on Thu 25 Feb 2016 at 15:43
Systemd MERDA

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (173.255.xx.xx) on Sat 26 Mar 2016 at 07:28
Dog old, trick new. Sorry.

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (86.131.xx.xx) on Thu 31 Mar 2016 at 20:28
No - I used systemd for about a year in Arch and Debian, it's OK and quite pleasant and featureful to use, but nothing special, and not perfect. Then I changed Debian to sysvinit and Arch to openrc, then I installed Void over Debian. What I disliked most in Debian Jessie wasn't systemd though, but the poor graphics support in Gnome - supposedly as the default desktop this should be the best and most reliable choice - and the broken wireless drivers in the kernel. Also the install CD had many serious problems. But I came across this survey reading a Debian tutorial about how to configure Bash - some things were better in Debian than elsewhere! (And you could add syslog setup to that.) If you don't want to use systemd but want a fast boot then try Void with runit.
The main problem with systemd imo is it's heavy input from RedHat, they aren't going to give away their best work to their non paying customers, so why expect anything else, even if they can provide professional support and documentation and it might be one of the best options available. From my experience openrc is the natural successor to sysvinit sysvrc and is developing into a credible alternative although this may not have been the case when Debian adopted systemd. runit is fast but simple so probably more of a home PC users choice.
sysvinit sysvrc is a classic and the init scripts make service setup easy.
Goodbye - or perhaps au revoir?

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by jchris (129.26.xx.xx) on Sun 3 Apr 2016 at 20:15
No, it misses the flexibility Debian offered for handling encrypted volumes on startup.

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Re: Will you stick to systemd as the default in Debian?
Posted by Anonymous (88.150.xx.xx) on Tue 19 Apr 2016 at 08:12
Devuan all the way, but any move away from systemd is a good one ;)

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