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Debian Etch is now frozen prior to release

Posted by Steve on Tue 12 Dec 2006 at 09:51

In case you missed the annoucement yesterday Debian Etch has now been frozen for release. This means that the distribution won't receive automatic updates over the next few days and weeks. Instead only "targetted" package updates will be made.

Whilst there is still work to be done before Etch may be released as the next stable release of Debian GNU/Linux this is an important milestone.

Here is the official release announcement which explains the process by which new updates will be made.

Hopefully this means we're on track for a speedy release!

 

 


Re: Debian Etch is now frozen prior to release
Posted by nix (217.174.xx.xx) on Wed 13 Dec 2006 at 08:13
I don't like this, why to speed up debian-releases?
When you have one of the best systems ever:)
stable/testing/unstable/experimental
for every case you have the solution !?
Why you need to be like fedora/ubunto releases on every 6 mounts!?
this is stupid debian is else we are different!

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Re: Debian Etch is now frozen prior to release
Posted by Steve (62.30.xx.xx) on Wed 13 Dec 2006 at 10:53
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Nobody wants to have a two-year old release like we had for Woody, so this is a fast one to see if we can do it.

Expect roughly yearly releases if all goes to plan.

Still you don't have to upgrade if you don't want to.

Steve

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Re: Debian Etch is now frozen prior to release
Posted by ajt (204.193.xx.xx) on Wed 13 Dec 2006 at 10:54
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Sarge has been out for quite a while now, it is due for an upgrade. An 18 month cycle is plenty fast enough for me, while not being the ubuntu/fedora 6-month tread-mill.

Remember that Sarge was very late and Woody was stable for much longer than really anticipated.

I agree though that the stable/testing/unstable trio is a usfule set of versions. I find testing a nice distro to run, in that it's continually evolving and gradually gets better, rather than the stable-2-stable upgrade jump which is rather radical. I wouldn't run testing on a server or on a desktop system for someone I'm supporting, but for me I've found it relatively painless.

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Adam

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Re: Debian Etch is now frozen prior to release
Posted by daemonoe (81.119.xx.xx) on Wed 13 Dec 2006 at 13:08
Hummm i've been playing a few with Etch past week and....sorry ppl but looks like it is far from being as stable as sarge is.
I had some BIG trouble with mysql-5 and with LVM.
Sarge is just little old, far away from being obsolete. If they could only put a more recent mysql-server package and php5, sarge could last for other 2 years imho.
Also consider that you have 3 branches stable/testing/unstable and you have also customizations of apt, like pinning packages that can help you a lot.
I dunno, i am a bit scary :-S

Sorry for my english, i know it sucks :-P

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Re: Debian Etch is now frozen prior to release
Posted by Nilshar (88.191.xx.xx) on Wed 13 Dec 2006 at 13:22
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You should try http://www.backports.org/ for php5, and more. (note that there is a little "bug" in pgsql module, a missing function).

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Re: Debian Etch is now frozen prior to release
Posted by dkg (216.254.xx.xx) on Thu 14 Dec 2006 at 00:28
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I'd like to know what problems you had with LVM and mysql5. have you written them up somewhere? can you provide links to mailing list posts or the debian bug tracker documenting the problems?

You say you only need updates for mysql and php, but my guess is that those are the tools you personally use. i use them too, but i also use other tools, which are getting noticeably stale in sarge. See here for another user's take on what's exciting about the new release.

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Re: Debian Etch is now frozen prior to release
Posted by daemonoe (81.119.xx.xx) on Thu 14 Dec 2006 at 13:05
Im am not saiyng that Etch is a complete bug ppl :-)
I just say that i had problems with collations and locales installing mysql-5 and sometimes the check of partitions LVM fails. A new boot and everything's ok.
I know and i am glad that Etch has many new packages and featurs.
About php and mysql i just say that on a distro storically server-oriented like debian would be nice to have an upgrade of php4 and mysql-server-4.1.
I dont think i am asking so much ;-)

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Re: Debian Etch is now frozen prior to release
Posted by dkg (216.254.xx.xx) on Thu 14 Dec 2006 at 14:22
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I'm sorry, i'm still not understanding what specific problems you had: they worry me, because i use both LVM and MySQL, and i'm looking forward to using them on etch. I'd really like to know more details. Can you point me to some other discussion of the issues so i can read up on them (and you don't have to reiterate it all here)?

What specifically went wrong for you with collations and locales on mysql5?

What do you mean sometimes the check of partitions LVM fails?


as for what you want for sarge, it's against debian policy to add new versions to an existing stable release. That's what makes it stable, and that's why it is historically so well-trusted in the server room.

That said, if you want to run php5 on sarge, you can do it with debian backports without too much hassle, and it should upgrade cleanly when you do decide to move to etch.

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Re: Debian Etch is now frozen prior to release
Posted by suspended user jadonohu (71.136.xx.xx) on Thu 14 Dec 2006 at 07:48
I too would be interested in knowing what specifically you've found wrong ... Although admittedly not an industrial user, I've used etch for a year on my home network (3 boxes) without a single problem. I use both mysql and lvm.

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Re: Debian Etch is now frozen prior to release
Posted by Anonymous (200.49.xx.xx) on Thu 14 Dec 2006 at 14:34
I use Debian Sarge at home because my wife (and non tech users) like to have the same software every day without surpises. I can do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade every day without fearing breakages.

Using "testing" means that things can change too often to the point of view of a music teacher. But 18 months are good time for an upgrade. In that time you can really notice the improvements. I have upgradede ubuntu 6.06 to 6.10 and is basically the same system. But between sarge and etch we have a lot of new things.
This way, the stable branch is not the "years old system" that used to be. Anyone can use debian sarge installing openoffice 2.x and firefox and have a usable system.

So i'm really happy with etch frozen. That means that i can continue using stable at home without begin in a jurassic park!

Cheers, zaikxtox

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Re: Debian Etch is now frozen prior to release
Posted by ajt (204.193.xx.xx) on Mon 18 Dec 2006 at 15:05
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Ditto, I run Etch on my desktop, my partner, my home server and my father have Sarge. Non-tech users don't like the constant drip-drip of changes in testing, I do but not on my servers.

Anyway just moved the first desktop from Sarge to Etch, seems to have gone okay, done in about 1 hour.

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Adam

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Re: Debian Etch is now frozen prior to release
Posted by Anonymous (82.195.xx.xx) on Mon 18 Dec 2006 at 13:59
Just tried out etch, net install, excellant by the looks of it. Only problem by the looks of it was my AL1916w monitor resolution. I was not getting the full 1440x900, but a quick surf, copy and paste and i'm getting the full res now.

The installer seems to be less interactive than sarge but i think thats my perception and me using DHCP to configure eth0. Although i cant remember configureing any packages.....

All in all i think etch will do just fine

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Re: Debian Etch is now frozen prior to release
Posted by Anonymous (84.71.xx.xx) on Mon 18 Dec 2006 at 20:33
PC's have moved on so much since Sarge was released that Etch is loooooooooong overdue.
I'm having to run testing (with no major issues) coz I got a new PC this year that Sarge wouldnt on. I wonder how many people have been put off by the lack of a new stable release?
Well, no matter really.
More haste, less speed.
The best things are worth waiting for.
And dont forget that the Debain developers havent got Ubuntu's huge $$$ behind them to 'motivate' them for a release evry six months. Although with the the 6.10 debacle who cares.

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Re: Debian Etch is now frozen prior to release
Posted by Anonymous (67.88.xx.xx) on Mon 18 Dec 2006 at 22:07
Well as long at the update date process works I am ok with it. I use Debian for a bunch of servers and with repositories like backports, a two+ year cycle is fine for me. I still do not run Linux for workstations, except at home where Ubuntu reigns king. But maybe I might switch over to etch at home and drop Ubuntu. Anybody use eclipse on etch? It works on Ubuntu with a few minor problems here and there but Ubuntu's stability has not been steller. LTS has improved but 6.10 seems to be a little rocky but I needed it for WPA. I remotely upgraded all our servers from Woody to Sarge without much trouble so I hope etch will be the same. Just don't forget to use the dist name and not stable in your sources list or an update can make your day go sour really quick once Etch is released.

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Re: Debian Etch is now frozen prior to release
Posted by Anonymous (203.199.xx.xx) on Tue 19 Dec 2006 at 04:37
Using etch for a while, and happy that is becomes stable. However, the problem I face is installing additional software that what comes in first CD. As part of my FOSS promotion activities, I install/give cds to places where there is no/poor net connection. In sarge during install itself additional cds can be added to the repository. However, etch doesn't have it. It can be added only with apt-cdrom add command. I hope etch team will consider people without broadband connection sympathetically and give back the provision to add packages list at install time

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Re: Debian Etch is now frozen prior to release
Posted by Anonymous (82.183.xx.xx) on Tue 26 Dec 2006 at 22:02
Good work. The hardware support in Sarge is really out-of-date so if they don't release Etch soon many (server installations) will be forced to switch to some other release...

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New stable updates method
Posted by gass (81.84.xx.xx) on Sat 30 Dec 2006 at 22:29
I think having year releases is good, it gives time to set things up, generally, making new base improvements and stabelizing procedures.

Having the unstable/testing systems gives the hability to run a stable distribution that is very often updated and does not suffer from errors that sometimes occour in unstable. I say this because, comparing to ubuntu, keeping up with their unstable distribution is pure suicide.

I think that stable does it's job. I compare it to red hat's RHEL in stability, target audience and reliability. The thing that stable is missing are some crutial support for new hardware and updated protocols. For example, stable could, in one year basis, to have 2 kernel updates (instead of a security update to the stable kernel, a new kernel would be brought up). Also some other software like clamav, or simply gaim. This maybe the purpose of volatile, but this is a fail that has been reported by users for many years now. It seems to be more risky to compile your own kernel just because part XXX does not work than debian to upgrade it.

The year basis release makes that, for example, the kernel team to make the built of a new kernel simplier and faster, from updtream, and to include them in debian. The same way, as i can see, the d-i also has this ability.

I think this is a point where, for example redhat, is above debian. In this case, comparing to ubuntu, you would wait for the next release. In debian, you can have backports.org .

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Re: Debian Etch is now frozen prior to release
Posted by mkb (130.88.xx.xx) on Thu 15 Feb 2007 at 15:35
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I'm wondering when and how to switch my work server from Sarge to Etch...

Is it as straight-forward as just swapping "Sarge" in /etc/apt/sources.list for "Etch" (or perhaps I should be replacing "Sarge" with "stable"???)?

Are there any issues to be aware of? (I think I read somewhere about kernel versions and hotplug/udev "gotcha"s but can't find them now.)

I'm currently running
!uname -a
Linux ratty 2.6.8-3-686-smp #1 SMP Sat Jul 15 08:52:57 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux

on a dual 3GHz Xeon box (Intel server board SE7320SP2) with a couple of SATA hard drives and half dozen IDE hard drives.

Thanks, Michael

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Re: Debian Etch is now frozen prior to release
Posted by Steve (80.68.xx.xx) on Thu 15 Feb 2007 at 15:38
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Yes pretty much. Replace sarge with etch, then run:

apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade

Nothing major that I can think of which was difficult - but I guess it mostly depends on what you're running. See the online release notes for more details I guess.

I know we'll cover it here later, but not until it has been released..

Steve

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Re: Debian Etch is now frozen prior to release
Posted by mkb (130.88.xx.xx) on Thu 15 Feb 2007 at 15:41
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"but not until it has been released"

Ah, I'm getting mixed up between "frozen prior to release" and "has been released" ;)

I'll resist the urge to jump headlong into the upgrade and await the release!

Thanks, Michael

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Re: Debian Etch is now frozen prior to release
Posted by Steve (80.68.xx.xx) on Fri 16 Feb 2007 at 16:39
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Yes you are I think.

Debian Etch has not been released yet - instead it has been frozen such that only minimal upgrades are happening to the packages in it - if you're running Etch currently then you'll still get updates as bugfixes are pushed into it, but it wouldn't be like it was a few months ago with large numbers of packages being updated every day.

When etch has been officially released only security updates will be added to it, and we'll certainly announce it here!

Steve

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