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Debian Community websites?

Posted by Steve on Fri 9 Dec 2005 at 15:07

Over the past few months several new Debian-based community websites have sprung up, providing summaries of news or new articles and tutorials for their visitors. Are we seeing a healthy growth of new Debian sites, or a splintering into redundant factions?

The new sites that I've been reading and following include:

Debian News

This site has been running for a few months and provides summaries of news relating to Debian GNU/Linux, and derived distributions.

It is updated regularly and often links here, so I like it ;)

DebCentral

DebCentral is a relatively new site with a clean attractive layout and featuring links to interesting off-site stories.

A nice feature of the website is a vibrant and active collection of forums.

Planet Debian

Although the name is confusingly similar to both Planet Debian (the weblog aggregation site) and Debian Planet (the existing site which has been running for many years) this site is another newcomer.

So far there have been several interesting news postings containing links to stories of interest to Debian GNU/Linux users.

As you can see there are several interesting new sites which, all "competing" for a share of attention from the Debian userbase.

If you haven't visited any of the sites you've most likely missed out on several interesting pieces, such as these recent examples:

The question of whether there are too many distinct websites competing for a relatively small number of readers has been raised recently, with several of the sites considering ways they could collaborate to complement each other and help the Debian userbase. Discussion articles have been posted at Debian-news and also at DebCentral for example.

I asked Christian of Debian-News and Josh of DebCentral a couple of questions to see how they currently consider their positions.

Josh suggests that DebCentral is currently home to a widely mixed collection of readers, from people beginning to use Debian (and Debian-derived distributions) right the way through to experienced users. The challenge the site faces is to support all the Debian distributions, no mean feat when you realise exactly how many such distributions exist!

Christian from Debian-News has a very focused idea of the role of his site, something that is obvious from the title: Simply provide the best collection of news to all visitors. This is a worthy goal, and a useful service which is much less ambitious than the goal of Josh.

So what do you think of the sites listed, and others? Is there room for all of them to coexist, or would you like to see some more centralisation? Have you ever wanted to help out and join part of a community?

There is something to be said for letting things stay as they are and seeing who keeps motivated and which site attracts the enough attention to keep going, but that isn't the way communities should be run. I'd be curious to hear how visitors see the changing face of the Debian landscape.

(Comments on this site are, of course, always welcome. Either posted here or mailed directly to me)

Which sites, if any, do you visit for Debian news? Or for problem solving?

Whatever happens I have a great deal of respect for anybody who manages to create and maintain a community based website. It is a lot more work than you realise before you try doing it yourself!


PS. This website is now officially over a year old, so thanks to every single visitor who has made a contribution and made running it such an interesting and worthwhile experience

 

 


Re: Debian Community websites?
Posted by Anonymous (62.205.xx.xx) on Fri 9 Dec 2005 at 15:39
DebianPlanet.org
AboutDebian.com
DebianHelp.org
and of corse Debian-Administration.org =p

pyxel /at/ hysteria.sk

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Re: Debian Community websites?
Posted by simonw (84.45.xx.xx) on Sat 10 Dec 2005 at 00:28
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We need other websites?

I was looking for some background on setting up HTTPS in Apache2 on Debian today, as I have to write a script to add the relevant Apache directives to the "virtualhosts" (quotes because they need there own IP address), for migrating our secure websites to the new server.

Google (I need to fix firefox at work to use Yahoo more) recommended Steve's article here, and it is short and just what I needed to kickstart the old grey cells, and illuminate which of the directives in the old Redhat httpd.conf file are obselete, or unnecessary.

Actually, Debian News sounds kind of interesting, I get the DWN email, but I feel the need for more Debian stories in smaller doses.

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Re: Debian Community websites?
Posted by flyboy (66.92.xx.xx) on Sat 10 Dec 2005 at 00:36
actually, this site is my mian source of info on Debian. It's the only one I have linked in my Bloglines. But I'd love to know where I can find more.

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Re: Debian Community websites?
Posted by Anonymous (65.78.xx.xx) on Sat 10 Dec 2005 at 02:20
The main debian community lives on the mail lists: http://lists.debian.org/
I'm most often participating on debian-user, see the archives at http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ , but there are many active lists.

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Re: Debian Community websites?
Posted by Anonymous (70.16.xx.xx) on Sat 10 Dec 2005 at 07:16
Mailing lists are just so damn painful to use regularly. Slow and messy IMO.

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Re: Debian Community websites?
Posted by Steve (82.41.xx.xx) on Sat 10 Dec 2005 at 19:13
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If you're not a subscriber then that might be true.

But performing searches via google, and limiting the results to lists.debian.org is a very useful means of finding things.

Steve

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For spanish readers
Posted by Anonymous (217.216.xx.xx) on Sat 10 Dec 2005 at 04:26
If you can read spanish take a look to esDebian.org (http://www.esdebian.org/)

Debian rulz!

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Re: For spanish readers
Posted by Anonymous (212.155.xx.xx) on Thu 4 May 2006 at 09:53
And if you can read french go to www.debianworld.org

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Re: Debian Community websites?
Posted by josh (68.96.xx.xx) on Sat 10 Dec 2005 at 07:17
One other thing to mention is that we at DebCentral are looking for volunteers to help develop the site and really begin to build it. While the site has been available since mid Sept, we really only got up and running fully in early Nov. So, there's lots of opportunities to get involved and help out with a young community. I'm always open to listen and try new ideas, and all suggestions are welcome. Please send your feedback, and consider joining us.

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Re: Debian Community websites?
Posted by Anonymous (82.181.xx.xx) on Sat 10 Dec 2005 at 12:18
It would be nice and time-saving if one site would publish all the other sites articles.

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Re: Debian Community websites?
Posted by josh (68.96.xx.xx) on Sat 10 Dec 2005 at 18:33
Funny you should mention that. Christian and I are discussing how to implement this same thing right now. Hopefully we will have something live and ready to go very soon.

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Re: Debian Community websites?
Posted by Steve (82.41.xx.xx) on Sat 10 Dec 2005 at 19:10
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Sure, from an end-user point of view that would be ideal.

But from the position of a site owner writing all the content for free - then letting somebody else post it and get the advert revenue is a tricky thing to manage...

There are other practicalities which might make it hard to arrange too.

Steve

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Re: Debian Community websites?
Posted by Anonymous (82.181.xx.xx) on Sun 11 Dec 2005 at 00:48
Of course you're right. But often in the real world the end-users get their wish anyway. That's why there already are software to easily capture all your favorite sites into one big frameset on your browser window. At least the information's getting through. I never was a big fan of web ad revenue anyway.

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Re: Debian Community websites?
Posted by Steve (82.41.xx.xx) on Sun 11 Dec 2005 at 01:19
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Without revenue of some kind this site and many others simply would not exist.

I'm against flashy, misleading, or otherwise obnoxious advertisements but there has to be a happy medium ground.

As for syndication, and republication, of course you are correct.

But there has to be sensible way of doing things. I don't object to people mirroring articles here - but mass-downloading, or unattributed wholesale copying of articles is a bad thing.

(And yes, sadly it does happen. It annoys me when people report it and I have to get in touch with random people to ask them to stop pretending they wrote articles I spent hours producing. Cynical much? Me? Sadly I have become so.)

Steve

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Re: Debian Community websites?
Posted by cj2003 (83.94.xx.xx) on Sat 10 Dec 2005 at 18:41
It is a turbulent world - it looks like today that planetdebian.com has transmogriffed into Cakey Power - http://www.cakeypower.com/ and that links to planetdebian.com are redirected to debian.org!

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Re: Debian Community websites?
Posted by Anonymous (86.135.xx.xx) on Sat 10 Dec 2005 at 20:30
new website with some good article about webserver and other topics in debian
http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/

Some more websites

http://debian.linbyte.com/
http://www.5dollarwhitebox.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

check these nice websites for more debian relates articles

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Re: Debian Community websites?
Posted by Anonymous (213.164.xx.xx) on Mon 12 Dec 2005 at 12:49
More Debian sites are definitely a good thing. Google is your view on all of them.
Why bring them under one umbrella?

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Re: Debian Community websites?
Posted by damog (201.135.xx.xx) on Fri 23 Dec 2005 at 05:19
We've faced countless problems with the Debaday website (including lack of hosting, lack of a reliable bandwidth, lack of imagination, etc), but I think 2006 will bring good news to the little project.

If somebody is willing to help, on any way, please drop me a note to damog at damog.net.

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Re: Debian Community websites?
Posted by Anonymous (82.197.xx.xx) on Sat 31 Dec 2005 at 13:58
What about forums.debian.net?

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Re: Debian Community websites?
Posted by Anonymous (218.76.xx.xx) on Tue 3 Jan 2006 at 10:20
why?
i am find the debian-news.net debian-administration.org
the same site on one M,///

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